somegchuh
10-08 05:37 PM
I see three groups emerging in this disucssion:
1. We applied labor in 2002/3/4. Therefore, GC should be PD based.
2. We applied labor in 2001/2/3 but had to reapply in 2005/6, therefore GC should be based on number of years in US.
3. Govt should "end retrogression" and give green cards to everyone.
I can understand the rationale of all three groups: they want things to work the way it will benefit them. In some way the rationale of first two groups can be justified also.
What I am having trouble with third "end retrogression". What does it exactly mean? There are only limited number of GC's per country. Are you talking about merging all the countries into one queue? I am not sure if ROW applicants will like that because that might set them back. Are we talking about raising the per country caps? How do you accomplish this "end retrogression".
gjoe/and others,
No one's trying to cut the line here. If there's any, it's purely procedural and has nothing to do with 'Ending Retrogression'. With or without retrogression someone might get an RFE, get stuck in namecheck etc. Ending retrogression provides earlier PDs better chances of getting GC faster (if dates are 'C' you get it the month you clear RFE, Name check etc.)
Just posting here isn't helping you cause. Instead you guys can get together and start sending flowers to USCIS director requesting him to publish the complete list of GC applications approved every year. It's the first step in enforcing FIFO. Right now there is no such list and no way of knowing who got their GC out of turn. And while you guys are at it also send some flowers to FBI to clear Namechecks FIFO, to DOL to approve PERM petitions FIFO etc.
Go spend those $50 at Flowers.com folks. Start writing to Senators, collect money, do the lobbying etc. Who's stopping you?
Or do you want logiclife, pappu and rest of the IV core to do it PRO BONO for you?
1. We applied labor in 2002/3/4. Therefore, GC should be PD based.
2. We applied labor in 2001/2/3 but had to reapply in 2005/6, therefore GC should be based on number of years in US.
3. Govt should "end retrogression" and give green cards to everyone.
I can understand the rationale of all three groups: they want things to work the way it will benefit them. In some way the rationale of first two groups can be justified also.
What I am having trouble with third "end retrogression". What does it exactly mean? There are only limited number of GC's per country. Are you talking about merging all the countries into one queue? I am not sure if ROW applicants will like that because that might set them back. Are we talking about raising the per country caps? How do you accomplish this "end retrogression".
gjoe/and others,
No one's trying to cut the line here. If there's any, it's purely procedural and has nothing to do with 'Ending Retrogression'. With or without retrogression someone might get an RFE, get stuck in namecheck etc. Ending retrogression provides earlier PDs better chances of getting GC faster (if dates are 'C' you get it the month you clear RFE, Name check etc.)
Just posting here isn't helping you cause. Instead you guys can get together and start sending flowers to USCIS director requesting him to publish the complete list of GC applications approved every year. It's the first step in enforcing FIFO. Right now there is no such list and no way of knowing who got their GC out of turn. And while you guys are at it also send some flowers to FBI to clear Namechecks FIFO, to DOL to approve PERM petitions FIFO etc.
Go spend those $50 at Flowers.com folks. Start writing to Senators, collect money, do the lobbying etc. Who's stopping you?
Or do you want logiclife, pappu and rest of the IV core to do it PRO BONO for you?
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pappu
12-16 12:02 AM
Been in the US since 1998, have an EB-2 PD of 2001, have played by the rules all along. Still no GC... And, the dates are going back to 2000 from the new year.. I've lost hopes...
I'm pretty close to getting clinical depression because of this game played by USCIS, Labor Dept, FBI and my own bad luck.
SKILL bill, OMNIBUS, etc. comes and goes. IV does seem to be doing things to lobby for the community, but let's face one reality. Like a news article said, no one in congress or senate wants to touch immigration even with a long pole until 2009.
The US has been very good to me (other than the GC part), more than my home country (India) which is why I'm still here.
Have invested too much of time in this country to just pack up and go. Just curious if any of you feel this way? How do you handle such depressing feelings?
This is your first post. Welcome to IV. You may want to spend time on the forum and with state chapters. Getting actively involved may help you.
During the time of IV rally, I happened to speak with an IV member who is here in this country since early 1990s. He has always maintained his legal status and was unfortunate to restart his greencard process several times due to job changes. He did not have a green card at that time and his PD was not very old.
I'm pretty close to getting clinical depression because of this game played by USCIS, Labor Dept, FBI and my own bad luck.
SKILL bill, OMNIBUS, etc. comes and goes. IV does seem to be doing things to lobby for the community, but let's face one reality. Like a news article said, no one in congress or senate wants to touch immigration even with a long pole until 2009.
The US has been very good to me (other than the GC part), more than my home country (India) which is why I'm still here.
Have invested too much of time in this country to just pack up and go. Just curious if any of you feel this way? How do you handle such depressing feelings?
This is your first post. Welcome to IV. You may want to spend time on the forum and with state chapters. Getting actively involved may help you.
During the time of IV rally, I happened to speak with an IV member who is here in this country since early 1990s. He has always maintained his legal status and was unfortunate to restart his greencard process several times due to job changes. He did not have a green card at that time and his PD was not very old.
mksusa
05-23 05:45 PM
I mad phone calls to each and every senator mentioned in the list as well as to my states senators. Sent emails to all of them.
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simple1
05-01 03:38 PM
Is suing the only option? USCIS could be making unintended mistake. We want to get clarification in a smoother and faster process before the flood gates open in October.
There should be some other legal-process to get written clarifications/interpretation etc on the law (like some kind of AILA discussion with CIS).
If our interpretation is correct, how many of you are willing to sue CIS??
There should be some other legal-process to get written clarifications/interpretation etc on the law (like some kind of AILA discussion with CIS).
If our interpretation is correct, how many of you are willing to sue CIS??
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nat23
10-25 12:55 PM
Republicans want nothing to do with CIR . SKILL bill is out there but the Republicans wouldnt want to touch that topic as they would like to help the President with important issues like "spending" keeping in mind that he wouldnt have the support of the Congress that he used to enjoy for the rest of his term. This means nothing in the lame-duck session.
Democrats on the other hand (if they have the House) wouldnt want "stop-gap" measure for immigration. They would want to go the whole 9 yards keeping the 2008 Presidential elections in mind. This means we would have to wait till the next Congress resumes office.
Any comments ??
Democrats on the other hand (if they have the House) wouldnt want "stop-gap" measure for immigration. They would want to go the whole 9 yards keeping the 2008 Presidential elections in mind. This means we would have to wait till the next Congress resumes office.
Any comments ??
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akhilmahajan
04-14 10:59 AM
I think you also need a Canadian address.
My bad, it totally skipped my mind.
PR cards can only be mailed with in Canada.
My bad, it totally skipped my mind.
PR cards can only be mailed with in Canada.
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paskal
07-08 10:41 PM
the still unanswered question is why USPS bothered to make a 10pm delivery to an office!! :-)
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va_il
05-03 03:17 PM
Aren't H4 spouses considered as Immigrants ?
:) sure you are otherwise you wouldn't be living here.
I am not againist H4 guys but i can't help but laugh when H4 guys complain that they were being treated bad by not allowing them to work.
One has to understand that US allows ppl on a certain basis and H4 is nothing but to join your spouse (or something like that for kids).
One can request them to make a provision for H4 ppl to work but blaming that they haven't done that simply by fogetting on what basis they entered US.... hmmm i don't know.
Questioning their speed of process and other irregular rules... yes i am with you but blaming them for above ... i don't think that is fair.
:) sure you are otherwise you wouldn't be living here.
I am not againist H4 guys but i can't help but laugh when H4 guys complain that they were being treated bad by not allowing them to work.
One has to understand that US allows ppl on a certain basis and H4 is nothing but to join your spouse (or something like that for kids).
One can request them to make a provision for H4 ppl to work but blaming that they haven't done that simply by fogetting on what basis they entered US.... hmmm i don't know.
Questioning their speed of process and other irregular rules... yes i am with you but blaming them for above ... i don't think that is fair.
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snathan
05-01 04:14 PM
yes, I want GC for my wife. 6 months to a year addtional wait is ok. Provided I get cleared soon.
Come on, your comment "limbo for five years" without basis. The FB2 cat is not very far behind. Only 6 months - 1 year behind in most cases. check VB.
Stop using words anti etc. I am just like you frustrated like hell.
My primary point is EB dependents must be out of EB quota.
There is no legal basis for them to be in EB quota. period.
If you are USC and then you are talking abou the FB2. Not for the GC holder. So will have to wait for years.
Come on, your comment "limbo for five years" without basis. The FB2 cat is not very far behind. Only 6 months - 1 year behind in most cases. check VB.
Stop using words anti etc. I am just like you frustrated like hell.
My primary point is EB dependents must be out of EB quota.
There is no legal basis for them to be in EB quota. period.
If you are USC and then you are talking abou the FB2. Not for the GC holder. So will have to wait for years.
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somegchuh
05-05 05:39 PM
I think H1Bmajdoor isn't taking a depressing tone. It's more of a realization tone.
I believe that immigrationvoice core is a great, dedicated and determined group of ppl that's fighting retrogression. If they are successful they will positively touch a LOT of ppl.
Here's a little history of GC process I know...
back in the late 90's, labor processing (state+fed) varied for different regions of the country but there was retrogression(not sure how bad) so it used to take 3 years in CA and maybe 4 in some other states for the whole process. And some people who couldn't complete the process in 6 years ended up going back or went to canada. I personally know a couple of families who couldn't get it in 6 years of H1n.
Then in 2000-2001 suddenly labor started getting approved (State+fed) in a couple of months and dates also became current. Now this happened because businesses had been pushing the govt really hard stating that they are unable to get labor. These laws became effective after the market had crashed. So some people who were in safe jobs were able to take advantage but most ppl were hardly surviving. Around 2002 labor process started getting slower and slower and they established BEC's. So, labor started taking 3-5 years.
Then in 2005 they devised PERM. Now, that PERM was taking only a few months so they introduced serious retrogression. In this process some ppl who had been waiting for 4-5 years for labor to clear from BEC got slammed badly. They will be stuck for another year or two. Now that's really sad .... But if you applied in PERM in the last couple of years and will be stuck in retrogression ... well its bad but not the worst thing in life.
I don't mean to belittle anyone's wait, anxiety, pain of GC process but the process has always been painful. Only some ppl manage to get out of it unscathed.
I believe that immigrationvoice core is a great, dedicated and determined group of ppl that's fighting retrogression. If they are successful they will positively touch a LOT of ppl.
Here's a little history of GC process I know...
back in the late 90's, labor processing (state+fed) varied for different regions of the country but there was retrogression(not sure how bad) so it used to take 3 years in CA and maybe 4 in some other states for the whole process. And some people who couldn't complete the process in 6 years ended up going back or went to canada. I personally know a couple of families who couldn't get it in 6 years of H1n.
Then in 2000-2001 suddenly labor started getting approved (State+fed) in a couple of months and dates also became current. Now this happened because businesses had been pushing the govt really hard stating that they are unable to get labor. These laws became effective after the market had crashed. So some people who were in safe jobs were able to take advantage but most ppl were hardly surviving. Around 2002 labor process started getting slower and slower and they established BEC's. So, labor started taking 3-5 years.
Then in 2005 they devised PERM. Now, that PERM was taking only a few months so they introduced serious retrogression. In this process some ppl who had been waiting for 4-5 years for labor to clear from BEC got slammed badly. They will be stuck for another year or two. Now that's really sad .... But if you applied in PERM in the last couple of years and will be stuck in retrogression ... well its bad but not the worst thing in life.
I don't mean to belittle anyone's wait, anxiety, pain of GC process but the process has always been painful. Only some ppl manage to get out of it unscathed.
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zoooom
07-20 02:32 PM
Zoooom, Anzeraja & All pledgers,
Thanks for driving this effort. Subsequent to Aman's post, we can direct these pledges to the normal contribution drive for IV.
It was amazing to see such response to call for funds for Aman and other core members.
So whats the verdict..Do we ask all the members to donate towards the core fund..Anzzeraja what do u say...SAM??
Thanks for driving this effort. Subsequent to Aman's post, we can direct these pledges to the normal contribution drive for IV.
It was amazing to see such response to call for funds for Aman and other core members.
So whats the verdict..Do we ask all the members to donate towards the core fund..Anzzeraja what do u say...SAM??
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stillhopefull
08-31 12:07 PM
no receipt notice yet. Checks haven't been cashed as of this morning.
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SunnySurya
08-18 01:59 PM
What we are asking is just fairness and transparency in the system.
Though I will benifit if the OP's idea succeeds. I agree with eb3_nepa. We need to do something that will help everyone. Its not fair to seek relief to only some section of the community.
Though I will benifit if the OP's idea succeeds. I agree with eb3_nepa. We need to do something that will help everyone. Its not fair to seek relief to only some section of the community.
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bluesky1
10-08 01:20 PM
Getting really worried now! What happened to our packages? I asked my lawyer and he said all the applications filed together with mine have received receipts except mine? Is that normal? Did you guys ask your lawyer? Did the applications filed together with yours all get receipts?
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mnkaushik
08-27 12:22 PM
Infact he says LUD on 21st was an indication of approval.
Thanks, hopefully my spouse gets her approval soon. She got SLUD on 8/21 and is current.
Thanks, hopefully my spouse gets her approval soon. She got SLUD on 8/21 and is current.
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samrat_bhargava_vihari
06-11 05:28 PM
at some month before OCT 2007 the dates would become unavailable.
what would happen at that time?
say your case was received by USCIS and they have not issued FP notices.
what if they issued FP notices but not issued EAD and/or AP.
would they still issue an EAD and AP even if your dates are not current(obviously the case was received by them and they issued you a case number)
any ideas?
In that case people with PD 2002 2003 whould have not got EAD's or renewals.. it won't affect the people who filed.
Once you file 485 ,PD will stop only getting you GC.
what would happen at that time?
say your case was received by USCIS and they have not issued FP notices.
what if they issued FP notices but not issued EAD and/or AP.
would they still issue an EAD and AP even if your dates are not current(obviously the case was received by them and they issued you a case number)
any ideas?
In that case people with PD 2002 2003 whould have not got EAD's or renewals.. it won't affect the people who filed.
Once you file 485 ,PD will stop only getting you GC.
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Daisy
06-08 02:57 PM
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glus
05-23 11:50 AM
Guys,
E-mails are good, but if you can fax them too:
Fax numbers to key senators in DC offices:
Clinton: 202-228-2082
Schumer: 202-228-3027
Lott: 202-224-2262
Reid: 202-224-7327
Cornyn: 202-228-2856
Hagel: 202-224-5213
Martinez: 202-228-5171
McConnell: 202-224-2499
Obama: 202-228-4260
Kennedy: 202-224-2417
E-mails are good, but if you can fax them too:
Fax numbers to key senators in DC offices:
Clinton: 202-228-2082
Schumer: 202-228-3027
Lott: 202-224-2262
Reid: 202-224-7327
Cornyn: 202-228-2856
Hagel: 202-224-5213
Martinez: 202-228-5171
McConnell: 202-224-2499
Obama: 202-228-4260
Kennedy: 202-224-2417
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ashishgour
08-28 11:41 AM
Reached application to NSC on 7/23. No checks cashed yet.
Anybody else there with 7/23 received date?
Me toooo
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Me toooo
eb3_nepa
05-02 02:57 PM
Hm....
Then what is the real need of Eb2 and Eb1 if everything is going to flow to Eb3?
Technically under which conditions and criteria Eb1 and Eb2 would be applicable?
GCby3000 u wud still apply under Eb1 and Eb2 depending on the job requirement and ur personal skills. It is just that u will be Exempt from the Cap i.e. the yearly quota for GCs, IF you have an advanced degree in the US.
Now you can be an Eb2 even without a masters in the US, if you have outstanding management ability and ur job demands that kind of management skill level. In that case the yearly quota cap would apply to u, but if u have an advanced degree in the US the cap wud not apply to u.
What degrees are considered as advanced degrees in the SKIL bill maybe some on here can clarify. Is it the same definition as the STEM or is it different?
Then what is the real need of Eb2 and Eb1 if everything is going to flow to Eb3?
Technically under which conditions and criteria Eb1 and Eb2 would be applicable?
GCby3000 u wud still apply under Eb1 and Eb2 depending on the job requirement and ur personal skills. It is just that u will be Exempt from the Cap i.e. the yearly quota for GCs, IF you have an advanced degree in the US.
Now you can be an Eb2 even without a masters in the US, if you have outstanding management ability and ur job demands that kind of management skill level. In that case the yearly quota cap would apply to u, but if u have an advanced degree in the US the cap wud not apply to u.
What degrees are considered as advanced degrees in the SKIL bill maybe some on here can clarify. Is it the same definition as the STEM or is it different?
gc_on_demand
07-08 10:07 AM
desi - the reason we face all these issues is not because of anyone's fault.
Reporting an employer is not as easy as it sounds.
The most educated and experienced people have always recommended to "protect yourself" - look for yourself and keep out of trouble.
The issue here is - people in this situation are mere scapegoats - a common man who approaches beaucracy has to deal with crap that is worse.
The entire process of immigrating to US via a employment based system is so loosely organized and puts people in unfair situations.
It is just not desi employers or consulting companies, in general, but any employer can have an upper hand on you when you are at their mercy.
People say big companies have policies and they abide. I agree, but it is not always the case. If someone is in business - they do things in their business interest - if dealing with USCIS is getting difficult - they may say "enough of it - no more responding to RFEs".
One person contacted me - he is having a fulltime job and filed for AC21. he got RFE for EVL 2 times. The first time his HR gave EVL without any hasstles, the second time she was pissed, said "We do not want to deal with this - I have contacted legal and they recommend not to issue such letters".
Now such a situation puts this person in a tough spot -the issue is not because of his employer because his employer did give a proper letter but USCIS asked it again.
Just imagine what is this person's situation for no fault of his?
We can always argue that "If you are worth and if company wants to retain you then they will not have any issues" - which once again may not always be true because we all know how relationships work out at companies - with ass kissing, nepotism, situations, financial etc......
This is very true. People may want to come forward and complain about employes but is there clear guidence on what will be status of employee if employer withdraw her/his h1b ?
Reporting an employer is not as easy as it sounds.
The most educated and experienced people have always recommended to "protect yourself" - look for yourself and keep out of trouble.
The issue here is - people in this situation are mere scapegoats - a common man who approaches beaucracy has to deal with crap that is worse.
The entire process of immigrating to US via a employment based system is so loosely organized and puts people in unfair situations.
It is just not desi employers or consulting companies, in general, but any employer can have an upper hand on you when you are at their mercy.
People say big companies have policies and they abide. I agree, but it is not always the case. If someone is in business - they do things in their business interest - if dealing with USCIS is getting difficult - they may say "enough of it - no more responding to RFEs".
One person contacted me - he is having a fulltime job and filed for AC21. he got RFE for EVL 2 times. The first time his HR gave EVL without any hasstles, the second time she was pissed, said "We do not want to deal with this - I have contacted legal and they recommend not to issue such letters".
Now such a situation puts this person in a tough spot -the issue is not because of his employer because his employer did give a proper letter but USCIS asked it again.
Just imagine what is this person's situation for no fault of his?
We can always argue that "If you are worth and if company wants to retain you then they will not have any issues" - which once again may not always be true because we all know how relationships work out at companies - with ass kissing, nepotism, situations, financial etc......
This is very true. People may want to come forward and complain about employes but is there clear guidence on what will be status of employee if employer withdraw her/his h1b ?
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